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作者: Hsinyen 时间: 2013-1-8 02:55 标题: Forgeries on eBay

本帖最后由 Hsinyen 于 2013-1-8 03:05 编辑

Please let us publish in this thread about forgeries in eBay to warn each other.

This overprint is a (really bad) fake, guess is not to hard to see for everbody (seller: gandalf_1952, eBay item ID: 4003825012
23)
Link: http://www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayI ... p;item=400382501223

作者: Hsinyen 时间: 2013-1-8 03:37

Someone try to make a forgery and noticed … shit happens nobody will believe this is a genuine stamp. Suddenly an idea comes into his mind: "Yeah I will just call it PROOF (or UNFINISHED PLATE PROOF

)! Bingo, problem solved!" Can we call such a bogus stamp "forgery" because it never existing as real stamp? I don’t know, but anyhow, this worthless fake of a stamp is actually offered at this auction.

This forgeries are printed on a very different and (of course) unwatermarked paper in a very rough drawing which differs strong from genuine stamps. On the top comes different colors and the missing inscription in top panel. Really rubbish, no other words for this counterfeits.

Sheets of them were sold for few Dollars some years ago ... I was counting the time when they come back into market.

Bogus sheets:

Seller: cretko, eBay item ID: 140711160811

Link: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Liberate ... 50088-/140711160811

作者: 小卢 时间: 2013-1-8 09:28

请看这个假货！还有人写文章说是新发现！

图片附件: 1208232326e38823bdc9b052e9.jpg (2013-1-8 09:26, 92.42 KB) / 下载次数 117
http://p1878.com/bbs/attachment.php?aid=656580&k=5766bae6c756bdf970447f50d78e9b7e&t=1732601328&sid=mZHh3h

作者: 麦国培 时间: 2013-1-8 09:36

作者: 小卢 时间: 2013-1-8 09:37

我做的贴片！

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http://p1878.com/bbs/attachment.php?aid=656585&k=792e754f528962b13cc3cdd1ef22c9f5&t=1732601328&sid=mZHh3h

作者: 小卢 时间: 2013-1-8 09:38

麦国培发表于 2013-1-8 09:36

作者: Hsinyen 时间: 2013-1-8 10:08

Yes, this "sheets" with the imperforated stamps were also sold!

Sorry, I didn't know that you already publish this forgeries. Just want to show what is offered on eBay.

As usual you show very nice stamps, please enjoy a genuine sheets which as a bit strong misprint. I noticed all(?) this misprint sheets have a hand written number (1 or 3) in a circle in a corner (here right top in blue). Anybody know what they are for?

作者: 小卢 时间: 2013-1-8 10:39

Appreciate. ( 1 or 3 ) I don't know what is the meaning? But this ( 1 or 3 ) should be with the printing unrelated, may be artificially do mark!

作者: 小卢 时间: 2013-1-8 10:47

Take the liberty to ask you is the post? Which country is the people, now the Chinese? Want to make a friend with you!

作者: 香港內詳封大王 时间: 2013-1-8 10:51

無人出價,無人上鈎

作者: 名驹拙成 时间: 2013-1-8 11:03

旅大加盖双十纪念邮票也是赝品，请不要选购，以防上钩。

作者: 小卢 时间: 2013-1-8 11:22

好事情！这里热闹起来了！欢迎交流！支持打假！

作者: delicacy 时间: 2013-1-8 12:59

区票是重灾区，随便一个街道印刷厂都可以批量造假。好在我对区票不感兴趣。

作者: 小卢 时间: 2013-1-8 13:06

本帖最后由小卢于 2013-1-8 13:10 编辑

区票是重灾区，随便一个街道印刷厂都可以批量造假。好在我对区票不感兴趣。
delicacy 发表于 2013-1-8 12:59

此话差也！何处没假货！没你想象的这么厉害！真的是街道印刷厂印制的那也只能骗不懂的人！

作者: 信销小玩家 时间: 2013-1-8 14:13

回复 3# 小卢

这个我在我们这边市场上见过

作者: Hsinyen 时间: 2013-1-8 19:08

@小卢
I'm located in Germany (Frankfurt). Usually I'm not so late online, but yesterday I saw a good movie and went late to bed. I'm happy to be friend with you!

@delicacy
Forgeries you will find every where ... I can talk hours about forgeries from later P.R.C issues (>1950) or forged overprint on Silver Yuan Issues, Tibet, old Formosa, Shanghai and so on. Only knowledge and a good network with experts keep you safe.

@信销小玩家
Yes, they were sold in USA! Please see the following scans from a lot of fakes from the auctions in USA. Stunning results btw., someone lose a lot of money.

作者: Hsinyen 时间: 2013-1-8 19:24

Appreciate. ( 1 or 3 ) I don't know what is the meaning? But this ( 1 or 3 ) should be with the printing unrelated, may be artificially do mark!

Yes, I also guess is unrelated, maybe something to classify the kind of misprint. Anyhow, it's interesting, here a sample with a "1"

作者: 小卢 时间: 2013-1-8 19:44

Yes, I also guess is unrelated, maybe something to classify the kind of misprint. Any ...
Hsinyen 发表于 2013-1-8 19:24

I think the paper has become the most important way to distinguish between true and false! The same paper is hard to find! I am glad to be your friend! I'll send some of my patch and you share!

作者: 小卢 时间: 2013-1-8 19:50

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http://p1878.com/bbs/attachment.php?aid=656756&k=ef32bf50be974180c6076fc656abeffd&t=1732601328&sid=mZHh3h

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http://p1878.com/bbs/attachment.php?aid=656757&k=08cceb02bd1a7caa7a986bfa2ca69a42&t=1732601328&sid=mZHh3h

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http://p1878.com/bbs/attachment.php?aid=656759&k=e38dacfd663db71ee9aedd1d987fd3f1&t=1732601328&sid=mZHh3h

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http://p1878.com/bbs/attachment.php?aid=656760&k=a75950bca8b6f51bdc760cae17661645&t=1732601328&sid=mZHh3h

作者: 中大小张 时间: 2013-1-8 20:33

last year, I saw the fake forgeries sold in beijing. All photos are still in my computer.Just like this. But i am not sure if they are come from USA...

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http://p1878.com/bbs/attachment.php?aid=656768&k=a30f316e4e37edbcda65dbef4a7cdd99&t=1732601328&sid=mZHh3h

作者: AndyGu 时间: 2013-1-8 21:14

I think the paper has become the most important way to distinguish between true and false! The sam ...
小卢发表于 2013-1-8 19:44

Me,too

作者: Hsinyen 时间: 2013-1-8 21:18

@中大小张
Do you remember which auction tried to sell them? Maybe we can find out the source of this forgeries.

Did anybody noticed how stupid this forgeries are? The even used the wrong sheet size, I mean the wrong amount of stamps in a sheet.

作者: 中大小张 时间: 2013-1-8 21:33

本帖最后由中大小张于 2013-1-8 21:36 编辑

@中大小张
Do you remember which auction tried to sell them? Maybe we can find out the source of th ...
Hsinyen 发表于 2013-1-8 21:18

maybe i know. Poly Auction? or another? But actually they were withdrawn finally

作者: Hsinyen 时间: 2013-1-9 05:55

@小卢
Nice stamps, thank you for sharing!

Please enjoy

作者: Hsinyen 时间: 2013-1-9 07:46

After many people feel safe to focus on the analyse of the paper types I like to show a stamp which was issued on a slightly different newspaper papers (structures, surfaces) and I like to make a small riddle for the experts!

Is this stamp a forgery or genuine? If you have an answer, please explain your opinion!

It was sold by David Feldman in Hong Kong in 2011 for 34.500 HK$
http://www.davidfeldman.com/buyi ... 011-sale/item/3663/

作者: 小卢 时间: 2013-1-9 08:55

I didn't study for this ticket! Listen to teachers!

作者: 中大小张 时间: 2013-1-9 12:20

Professional,,,,,!!!!

作者: 初来咋到 时间: 2013-1-9 12:28

都是大卖家，估计都是看走眼了。如果有意而为，就有点儿缺德了。

作者: 我要区票 时间: 2013-1-9 14:14

回复 25# Hsinyen

This one is FORGERY.

The image is too solid, too clean and neat. The paper is kind of modern made high pounds of force, tight, solid paper.
Origin newsprint are more loose and texture is uneven.

作者: 小卢 时间: 2013-1-9 14:26

回复 Hsinyen

This one is FORGERY.

The image is too solid, too clean and neat. The pape ...
我要区票发表于 2013-1-9 14:14

看来纸张是不对了，欢迎来此发贴！

作者: 我要区票 时间: 2013-1-9 14:41

回复 30# 小卢

学习中，请多多指教。

作者: 小卢 时间: 2013-1-9 15:18

回复小卢

学习中，请多多指教。
我要区票发表于 2013-1-9 14:41

我也在学习中！论坛是大家交流的地方，可以各抒己见！互相尊重！那就其乐融融了！最近又来了个德国集邮家，很正直，敢说！对区票也很有研究！很好的事情！

作者: 小卢 时间: 2013-1-9 15:45

Me,too
AndyGu 发表于 2013-1-8 21:14

顾兄！

作者: atmwang 时间: 2013-1-9 16:01

Someone try to make a forgery and noticed … shit happens nobody will believe this is a genuine stam ...
Hsinyen 发表于 2013-1-8 03:37

Hallo, diesen Block habe ich in Deutschland teuer gekauft, bitte mal kontrollieren ob es sich hier auch um eine Falschung handelt, Danke!

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http://p1878.com/bbs/attachment.php?aid=657106&k=6ce894227c80451785425aa3412bd8a3&t=1732601328&sid=mZHh3h

作者: 小卢 时间: 2013-1-9 16:21

Hallo, diesen Block habe ich in Deutschland teuer gekauft, bitte mal kontrollieren ob es sich hi ...
atmwang 发表于 2013-1-9 16:01

这是枚好票！有何问题？

作者: atmwang 时间: 2013-1-9 16:27

这是枚好票！有何问题？
小卢发表于 2013-1-9 16:21

我觉得没有问题。但是给你们讲怕了，到处都是假（尤其是昂贵的邮票），不敢玩了。。。。。。

作者: 小卢 时间: 2013-1-9 16:28

我觉得没有问题。但是给你们讲怕了，到处都是假（尤其是昂贵的邮票），不敢玩了。。。。。。
atmwang 发表于 2013-1-9 16:27

多讲讲就不怕了！

作者: Hsinyen 时间: 2013-1-9 19:51

本帖最后由 Hsinyen 于 2013-1-9 20:01 编辑

@我要区票
Yes, good, you are right! It's a FORGERY! I just mention this example because NOT only the paper are important. This stamp tried to copy the position 7 in the sheet (left side of the double sheet of 9). Please compare this fake stamp with a genuine stamp from the same sheet position. To judge stamps also carefully look at the drawings.

The sample comes from this nice block with shifted overprint

作者: 我要区票 时间: 2013-1-9 20:12

回复 38# Hsinyen

Nice block sample with overprint shifted. Very good comparison of position 7, obviously as I mentioned, the image is too solid, too clean and looks like perfect. Just compare with the genuine one (your block), the printing color, shades, paper texture is more uneven and loose. Perhaps DFHK's expert had made a careless mistake
this time. What a pity, honest buyer!

作者: Hsinyen 时间: 2013-1-10 05:26

Such mistakes happen nowadays quite often. We will see here many more examples.

How about the right stamp from this scan? Left stamp (genuine) is Pos. 1 from the left sheet and right stamp try to be Pos. 1 from the right sheet.

作者: 小卢 时间: 2013-1-10 07:56

A good comparison method! Thank you.

作者: Hsinyen 时间: 2013-1-11 19:03

Perforation removed by scissors, value = 0.-
http://www.zhaoonline.com/jiefangquyoupiao/1938951.shtml

Forgerd overprint, value = 0.-
http://www.zhaoonline.com/jiefangquyoupiao/1934371.shtml

作者: 小卢 时间: 2013-1-11 22:27

Perforation removed by scissors, value = 0.-

Forgerd overprint, value = 0.-
Hsinyen 发表于 2013-1-11 19:03

Ask : the official ticket how to distinguish true and false?http://www.zhaoonline.com/jiefangquyoupiao/1934371.shtml

作者: Hsinyen 时间: 2013-1-11 22:51

@小卢
Please apologize, I don't publish this in public anymore. Always when I mention the mistakes and how to detect the forgeries a new generation of forgeries comes into the market which are more "perfect" and correct the mistakes I mentioned before.

I will send you an email to "lu888692@yahoo.cn" with scans.

作者: 小卢 时间: 2013-1-11 22:58

Good! Thank you.

作者: 我要区票 时间: 2013-1-11 23:05

回复 43# 小卢

这票如你细看就知道是假加盖

作者: Hsinyen 时间: 2013-1-11 23:29

这票如你细看就知道是假加盖

These forgeries are for collectors who DON'T have genuine refercence stamps ... that's the dirty trick and not all collectors are so skillful to judge such "better" forgeries.

I report them because I hope to avoid damage to other collectors.

作者: 我要区票 时间: 2013-1-11 23:37

回复 47# Hsinyen

Such excellent forgeries overprint exists for many years and it seems they appear again recently especially at Zhao auction. And the 昆明加盖改作票 as well, can find the forgeries overprint on Ebay and Zhao. Really want to know the source.

作者: Hsinyen 时间: 2013-1-11 23:55

Yes, this 昆明加盖改作票 forgeries I also already reported to Zhao before.

Would be a plus if Zhao one days decide to work together with some experts and when they are bit more carefully from whom they accept stamps to sell.

It's quite clear that Zhao is not able to distinguish better forgeries.

作者: Hsinyen 时间: 2013-1-14 06:58

Forgeries were sold (even it was announced to Zhao):

作者: 小卢 时间: 2013-1-14 09:20

假货成交了！

作者: 名驹拙成 时间: 2013-1-14 14:09

而且近一年还成交了多件这套票的假货，哎！一声叹息。

作者: 我要区票 时间: 2013-1-14 14:15

回复 52# 名驹拙成

有可能是同一个货主

作者: Hsinyen 时间: 2013-1-20 06:41

Zhao seems to be resist to learn something. Again they offer the same forgery:

Please warn everybody not to buy this forgery again. Last time they didn't remove the forgery even I informed them in advance.

作者: 小卢 时间: 2013-1-20 18:12

这个假货又上架了！

作者: parisiica 时间: 2013-1-20 21:06

我觉得没有问题。但是给你们讲怕了，到处都是假（尤其是昂贵的邮票），不敢玩了。。。。。。
atmwang 发表于 2013-1-9 16:27

已經到仔草木皆兵個地步了，作孽

作者: 我要区票 时间: 2013-1-21 02:23

回复 54# Hsinyen

I also report this forgery set to Zhao today.

作者: Hsinyen 时间: 2013-1-21 09:40

回复 57# 我要区票

Thank you! Hope they withdraw this lot this time.

作者: Hsinyen 时间: 2013-1-21 09:49

This lot at Zhao is for my opinion chemical bleached:
http://www.zhaoonline.com/jiefangquyoupiao/1944738.shtml

It's too bright white and the sheet shows typical curls they got after drying them (in the incorrect way) and in a too short time. It's not easy to get such a big sheet flat again after you put it in water...

Chemical bleached paper you can always distinguish if you look at the paper surface with strong glasses or a microscope. The paper surface is not smooth anymore and paper fibers come out. A chemical bleached sheet is debased.

I have no evidence here, this is just my opinion.

作者: 麦国培 时间: 2013-1-21 09:59

再来关注一下

作者: 小卢 时间: 2013-1-21 12:00

关注！

作者: 我要区票 时间: 2013-1-22 13:30

回复 58# Hsinyen

It seems thatZhao withdraw it today.

作者: 我要区票 时间: 2013-1-22 13:35

回复 62# 我要区票

My mistake, still there, not withdraw yet

作者: Hsinyen 时间: 2013-1-22 18:30

No, it's good possible they will sell it again (like the last 5 forged sets... !!)

Is there no way to inform the buyers later that they bought a forgery?

作者: Hsinyen 时间: 2013-1-23 04:14

Anybody know this auction?

1st forgeries:
http://www.huabid.com/auctions/54325

2nd forgeries:
http://www.huabid.com/auctions/54336

作者: 小卢 时间: 2013-1-23 08:23

No, it's good possible they will sell it again (like the last 5 forged sets... !!)

Is there no w ...
Hsinyen 发表于 2013-1-22 18:30

Could not inform buyers! Because the buyer information is confidential!

作者: Hsinyen 时间: 2013-1-27 08:40

The forged set was AGAIN sold even Zhou know this are forgeries:
http://www.zhaoonline.com/jiefangquyoupiao/1948076.shtml

I'm not sure what's going on? Zhao is going to ruin his reputation!

作者: 小卢 时间: 2013-1-27 09:28

Because of Zhao Yong's identification of personnel level is very low!

作者: Hsinyen 时间: 2013-1-30 01:28

This cheater try it again, now with a low price:
http://www.ebay.de/itm/ws/eBayIS ... ADME:B:SS

作者: Hsinyen 时间: 2013-2-5 01:24

Fake:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/MNH-Chin ... hash=item3a7dfaef58

作者: 小卢 时间: 2013-2-5 09:36

支持打假！

易趣上假货成堆！

作者: Hsinyen 时间: 2013-2-6 21:39

How many fake sets Zhao want to sell?!
http://www.zhaoonline.com/jiefangquyoupiao/1963141.shtml

作者: Hsinyen 时间: 2013-2-11 06:37

Bad forgery:
http://www.ebay.de/itm/ws/eBayIS ... ADME:B:SS

作者: 小卢 时间: 2013-2-11 13:53

So the paper tickets is thin white paper!

作者: Hsinyen 时间: 2013-2-11 19:19

Yes

Looks like this is a photo/scan cut out from an auction catalogue.

作者: Hsinyen 时间: 2013-2-19 01:34

本帖最后由 Hsinyen 于 2013-2-19 01:36 编辑

Uff ... what a bad forgery. Put this seller on your personal black list. It's a cheater.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/China-1946-Northeast-PRC-Liberated-Yanbian-Posts-10-50-VFU-F975-/111010818614?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item19d8c2aa36

作者: 初来咋到 时间: 2013-2-19 03:40

Uff ... what a bad forgery. Put this seller on your personal black list. It's a cheater.
Hsinyen 发表于 2013-2-19 01:34

这哥们儿是驻德美军，票应该都是他寻么来的，对这些票他应该没什么了解，他就是按目录，搞错是常有的事。我们买票的自己判断即可，没必要和他多计较。

作者: Hsinyen 时间: 2013-2-19 16:39

这哥们儿是驻德美军，票应该都是他寻么来的，对这些票他应该没什么了解，他就是按目录，搞错是常有的事 ...
初来咋到发表于 2013-2-19 03:40

There is no reason to protect this seller. If you are unsure about a stamp you can always ask some experts about their opinion and not to put this stamp online for a high price and pretent to know "nothing".

Maybe you can judge this stamp by yourself, but there are many collectors around who can't judge such stamps.

作者: 小卢 时间: 2013-2-20 08:23

There is no reason to protect this seller. If you are unsure about a stamp you can always ask ...
Hsinyen 发表于 2013-2-19 16:39

支持先生打假！也从您的贴子里学到了知识！

作者: Ascollecter 时间: 2013-2-20 08:40

支持打假,严惩诈骗

作者: 名驹拙成 时间: 2013-2-20 13:50

海外有专门埋地雷的，要小心那，外国卖的中国解放区票也不都是真的，解放区票在世界享有很高的声誉，从世界各大拍卖行目录就能看出，经常是本场拍卖会主打拍品，很多国外的朋友对解放区邮票研究深入程度甚至超过国内，随之造假的就会产生，要慎重购买呀。

作者: Hsinyen 时间: 2013-2-22 00:51

Next forgery from the ebay cheater "gandalf_the_white_1952"

http://www.ebay.com/itm/China-19 ... hash=item19d901adca

作者: 初来咋到 时间: 2013-2-22 01:35

Next forgery from the ebay cheater "gandalf_the_white_1952"
Hsinyen 发表于 2013-2-22 00:51

请直接和卖方联系，以专家的身份告诉他这件为假，看他如何反应。

作者: Hsinyen 时间: 2013-2-22 08:09

请直接和卖方联系，以专家的身份告诉他这件为假，看他如何反应。
初来咋到发表于 2013-2-22 01:35

Already did, he doesn't care.

作者: Hsinyen 时间: 2013-3-1 18:46

Zhao did it again. Same forgery as usual:
http://www.zhaoonline.com/jiefangquyoupiao/1989584.shtml

Forgery:

作者: llicolt 时间: 2013-3-1 19:17

回复 77# 初来咋到

我也知道这哥们儿是驻德美军

他大概没有区票鉴伪的能力，应该不是制假卖假, 没必要和他多计较。

作者: 初来咋到 时间: 2013-3-2 00:32

回复初来咋到

我也知道这哥们儿是驻德美军
他大概没有区票鉴伪的能力，应该不是制假卖假, 没必 ...
llicolt 发表于 2013-3-1 19:17

哈哈，看来都从他那里捡过漏

作者: shao8086 时间: 2013-3-2 13:26

Next forgery from the ebay cheater "gandalf_the_white_1952"
Hsinyen 发表于 2013-2-22 00:51

這賣家應該有兩個帳號,另一個就是gandalf開頭的.

作者: Hsinyen 时间: 2013-3-8 07:37

Unfortunately not genunie (both stamps):
http://www.zhaoonline.com/jiefangquyoupiao/1990301.shtml

作者: Hsinyen 时间: 2013-3-13 08:29

Seems the eBay seller "tttbid" only sell forgeries (at least all betters are forgeries):

Fake:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/PRC-Nort ... hash=item338087f1e2

Fake:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/PRC-Cent ... -Mint-/271169887122

作者: Hsinyen 时间: 2013-3-26 19:38

本帖最后由 Hsinyen 于 2013-3-26 19:39 编辑

Not Liberated Area, but also an interesting case.

This stamps are complete forgeries:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/25124297 ... 2557&orig_cvip=true

The printing method is exactly the same as the genuine one, only by comparing with strong glasses you might be able to distinguish the different print.

If you are unsure about some China stamps, please send your doubtful material to the BPP expert for China Mr. Haveman:
http://www.forge-china.de/main.php?pruefer

Cost something, but is usually better as to be unsure about your stamps.

Forgeries:

作者: Hsinyen 时间: 2013-3-31 23:44

Some fakes for Eastern from the forgery eBay seller "2013kingauction", lot 390567552090.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/China-Li ... 52090#ht_685wt_1399

The best on this cheating is his sentence: "ALL ITEMS GUARANTEED GENUINE". He is located in China, maybe some reader of this forum knew him?

Fake:

作者: Hsinyen 时间: 2013-3-31 23:48

Please everybody put "2013kingauction" on the black list, look likes ALL stamps he offers are fakes, like lot 390567549319, etc..

http://www.ebay.com/itm/China-ma ... 3d987#ht_416wt_1382

Fake:

作者: 小水 时间: 2013-4-1 22:26

回复 93# Hsinyen

Thank you for sharing

作者: Hsinyen 时间: 2013-4-22 16:58

Only someone who never saw any genuine stamp of this can think this is one not a forgery:
http://www.zhaoonline.com/jiefangquyoupiao/2070929.shtml

Kids drawing is crazy bluish color:

作者: Hsinyen 时间: 2013-4-24 06:34

Seems Zhao does not have any expert for Liberared Area anymore!? I would guess most readers in this forum here are more qualified as the current stamp expert at Zhao.

Overprint forgery on a forged stamp: http://www.zhaoonline.com/jiefangquyoupiao/2079032.shtml

作者: 小卢 时间: 2013-4-24 18:12

假的东西多，麻木了！

作者: 小水 时间: 2013-4-24 23:57

Seems Zhao does not have any expert for Liberared Area anymore!? I would guess most readers in this ...
Hsinyen 发表于 2013-4-24 06:34

just because of forgeries,so people afraid,that the vaule of the libstamp is so below its normal value,
on the other hand,its need to learn to get it

作者: 小水 时间: 2013-4-24 23:59

可笑，可笑，真可笑，这个帖子成了老赵的区票免费鉴定贴

作者: 小北 时间: 2013-4-25 01:55

经验告诉我：不懂得别碰。

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