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作者: lioulee_1983 时间: 2015-1-29 11:55 标题: 几枚有“故事”的小圆戳

重庆小圆戳2~1.jpg

洪宪元年一月26日

当年使用

月份数字代替

满洲里和东兴晚期使用

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作者: 涛声依然 时间: 2015-1-29 12:04

好戳！！！

作者: 麦国培 时间: 2015-1-29 12:13

大精品

作者: 王童力 时间: 2015-1-29 12:14

故事呢？俺是来听故事的，期待！

作者: lioulee_1983 时间: 2015-1-29 12:21

故事呢？俺是来听故事的，期待！
王童力发表于 2015-1-29 12:14

已经写了啊，看图片简介

作者: 周升渊1 时间: 2015-1-29 13:34

请问楼主你那件洪宪元年信销票要卖多少钱？另外想请教一下：如何看洪宪元年邮戳？怎么去判断是否是洪宪元邮戳呢？

作者: lioulee_1983 时间: 2015-1-29 14:34

请问楼主你那件洪宪元年信销票要卖多少钱？另外想请教一下：如何看洪宪元年邮戳？怎么去判断是否是洪宪元邮 ...
周升渊1 发表于 2015-1-29 13:34

洪宪为袁世凯所创“中华帝国”年号，这是一个违历史潮流的短命皇朝，世又称为一场恢复帝制的闹剧。自袁世凯一九一五年十二月二十五日宣布第二年改元“洪宪”，到一九一六年三月二十二日不得不取消帝制，一共坐了83天的未正式登基的皇帝。有英汉“五年”样式和小圆戳数字“16”样式，以上指1916年（民国五年）一月一日至三月二十二日之间的邮戳。

作者: 周升渊1 时间: 2015-1-29 15:18

洪宪为袁世凯所创“”，这是一个违潮流的短命，世又称为一场恢复帝制的。自一九一五年十二月二十五 ...
lioulee_1983 发表于 2015-1-29 14:34

我指你怎么看邮戳，知道是洪宪元年之戳，而不是洪宪元年的由来。

作者: 周升渊1 时间: 2015-1-29 15:21

“16”一定代表年代吗？

作者: lioulee_1983 时间: 2015-1-29 16:46

“16”一定代表年代吗？
周升渊1 发表于 2015-1-29 15:21

16代表年代，即1916年，英文一月缩写是JAN，26是日期。

作者: 周升渊1 时间: 2015-1-29 18:07

先学习一下吧。

作者: 姜运南 时间: 2015-1-29 18:19

作者: 李晓鸣 时间: 2015-1-29 22:07

年份位置数字意义不同，有的是年份，有的代表戳号，，，
重庆应该是代表年份，，，，，

作者: 李晓鸣 时间: 2015-1-30 08:32

天津府A7.jpg

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作者: lioulee_1983 时间: 2015-1-30 08:40

李晓鸣发表于 2015-1-30 08:32

兄这枚不错，而且是中高值票

作者: 民国戳仔 时间: 2015-2-1 17:48

都是好戳！让吗？

作者: 麦国培 时间: 2015-2-1 17:54

支持戳仔收购

作者: Vilyehn 时间: 2015-2-4 12:50

Li Xiaoming

icture shows how many Tientsin cancels I have.
I do not have a single example of English in the middle with a bottom single line of all numbers.

"Wow!"

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作者: Vilyehn 时间: 2015-2-4 12:52

...how did I make that face?

作者: shao8086 时间: 2015-2-4 15:24

Li Xiaomingicture shows how many Tientsin cancels I have.
I do not have a single example of Engli ...
Vilyehn 发表于 2015-2-4 12:50

You can see some different type Tientsin cancel.

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作者: Vilyehn 时间: 2015-2-5 19:55

Got an example of everything you pictured, shao8086, which confirms the rarity of Li Xiaoming's example.

Except for William F. Bonner's work on Shanghai Cancels, I do not know of any list of a city's known  standard round postmarks.

This is just 1/8 of the Tientsin file of cancels I have.

TIENTSIN
Cancellation Classification.

All Chinese characters / Chinese-English Bilingual

Chinese-English Bilingual

I. English in the Middle
A. Characters on top, date on bottom
      1. Flat line characters, date in two lines, month in English
                     Coiling Dragons 1902 1908
         a. With Chinese character Sub Office
               1. and with Heavenly Stem
                        Coiling Dragons
         b. With Heavenly Stem between and below
                        1936 Junk
         c.  With Heavenly Stem below
                        1915 Junk
      2. Flat line characters, date in one line, month in English
      a.  With Letter below date
                     B 1919 Junk
      b. With Letter above characters
                     D 1923 Junk
   3. Flat line characters, date in one line, ALL NUMBERS
      a. With Letter above characters
                     Li Xiaoming's example
II. English on Top
  A. All character date in middle
      1. Chinese characters on bottom
         a. With Chinese character Sub Office
                     Junk 1936, Martyrs
               1. and with Heavenly Stem
                        Coiling Dragons
         b. With Heavenly Stem between and below
                        1936 Junk
         c.  With Heavenly Stem below
                        1915 Junk
         d.  With Letter
  B. All number date in middle
                        1932 Junk
   1. With Sub Office number after English
                        Martyrs Occupation
II. English on Bottom
  A. Dotted circle
   1. All number date
                     1922 Junk, Martyrs
         a.  With Letter  above and between characters
                     B 1935 Martyrs
         b. With Heavenly Stem between characters
                     1941 Sun A57 Occupation
         c. With Heavenly Stem below English
                     Sun A82 792
   2. All character date
                     Martyrs
  B. Round (Machine)
   1. All character date
                     Junk, Sun A37
  C. Solid circle and bar
   1. All number date
                     1936  Scott 330
   2. All character date
      a. With Kiosk
                  1947 Sun A40 Scott 640

作者: Vilyehn 时间: 2015-2-5 19:56

..ok, that was a neatly spaced table until I hit the send button.

作者: shao8086 时间: 2015-2-6 09:36

Got an example of everything you pictured, shao8086, which confirms the rarity of Li Xiaoming's exam ...
Vilyehn 发表于 2015-2-5 19:55

The Chinese "Tientsin Fu" as No.73-1 in Mr. Chan cataloge used 1921.11.2~1927.12.7, But Mr. Li example used 1930,

So you may be see this one, I think with more like this you haven't found it.

作者: Vilyehn 时间: 2015-2-6 10:36

"So you may be see this one, I think with more like this you haven't found it."

I think from 1968 to 2015 I've looked at over 70.000 China 1912-1949 stamps.

Not enough!

More, more, always more.

What is the full name to the Mr. Chan catalogue so that I can borrow a copy from the China Stamp Society library. Would the volumes by Paul Ke-Shing Chang be of help. I still have not purchased the CSS China Clipper on CD.

作者: shao8086 时间: 2015-2-6 13:20

回复 24# Vilyehn

Your focus the stamp used in 1928 or later.

作者: STAMP_XU 时间: 2015-2-6 18:14

找到了相交的对象，叫人羡慕。

作者: Vilyehn 时间: 2015-2-7 07:10

If everything was available at the same time and I only had limited funds, I'd rank my collecting interests as:

1st: Junks 1913 - ?
2nd: Sun A37 1931-37
3rd: Sun A57 1937-40
4th: Martyrs

Half the time I buy collections and lots on eBay where only a few of the seller described "cancel interests" are actually interesting cancels.
And half the time I buy mixtures or sealed bundles and see what I can find.

Republican overprints on Coiling Dragons and commemorative stamps are usually too expensive to buy in mass quantities.

作者: Vilyehn 时间: 2015-2-7 07:41

P.S.

I would love to get a complete set of twelve Heavenly Stems
Any city, but matching stamp type and value. 1 cent Junk, 5 cent Sun A37, etc.
Any date, any year, but all 12 on the exact same stamp.

And even better, if possible, matching cancel type. English top, middle, or bottom.

HEAVENLY STEMS
甲 Jia 甲 - first sun
乙 Yi
丙 Bing
丁 Ding
戊 Wu
已 Ji
庚 Geng
辛 Xin
壬 Ren
癸 Gui

作者: Vilyehn 时间: 2015-12-21 13:17

Reply 1 # lioulee_1983

This appears to be slightly different.The 4 is slanted.
The first H is wider.
The first A is pointed.

Did the handstamp wear out and have characters replaced, or is this an entirely different handstamp?

Of 100 examples of CHANGSHA on Republican Stamps, this is my only example of the top arched characters with character sub office.

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