麦国培

这个多贴可以理解为寄件人忽略了明信片上的邮资。

alainfang

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以下是引用心怡永在在2008-7-19 17:04:02的发言：

请教方兄，此件的ＫＤＴ　ＦＩＬＤ是德国军邮戳吗？记得看过一些销此戳的封和片都无需贴资费而直接寄出的。此片加贴了大清邮票，因此可以判断为集邮品，这样说法正确吗？

这现在我也不确信大清邮票一定没有用.根据下面的文献好像中国邮局和德国军邮局之间也有互换邮件.我觉得有两种可能
1)德国军人到中国邮局去销了戳,然后交给德国军邮局寄出.(KDT FILD是德国军邮戳)
2)寄信人交中国邮政,销天津戳,然后中国邮政转交德国军邮局.

文献内容如下(摘自"The stamps and cancels of the german colonies and the german post offices abroad German post in China",德文原版的书名是"Die Postwertzeichen und Entwertungen der deutschen postanstlten in den Schutzgebieten und im Ausland")

Fieldpost 1900-1901
According to the regulations, mail originating from army units was to be forwarded exclusively through the fieldpost. The dispatch of mail through the German post or the postal agencies of foreign countries was forbidden for security reasons. In East Asia during the Boxer rebellion, however, there were no such restrictions. The members of the army and navy units there had the following means available for the forwarding of their private mail:
1)all German and foreign civilian mail establishments;
2)the chinese offices for the forwarding of mail to nearest German or foreign post office;
3)the German postal steamers and foreign postal ships in harbours;
4)the German naval post offices;
5) the German fieldpost.

Of these, the naval postal offices, with their privieges, were available only to the crew members of the ships; but this stipulation was not strictly adhered to during the campaign. The free postage and the reduced postage for the German fieldpost applied only to some types of mail, as was the case for the naval post offices. Other mail, not falling into these categories, had to be franked at the regular rates.
Members of German military units could send mail through the fieldpost offices of other foreign powers and vice versa. In such cases, however, no reduction in rates could be claimedd, so that full franking was required. Only the Austrian military contigent is said to have enjoyed the postage-free privileges of the German fieldpost.
In addition, mail of German and foreign civilans was forwared by the fieldpost offices as long as such mail was franked at the normal postage rates.

On 13 July 1900 The Reich Post Office made the following announcement:
"For the mail traffic of the mobile troops of the army and navy dispatched to East Asia, the changes below are effective as the day of embarkation at the home-base harbour. Private matters of the members of these military units will be forwared as fieldpost articles as follows:
* Ordinary letters up to and including 250 grams, and ordinary postcards.
* The forwarding of letters up to and including 50 grams, and postcards, will be postage-free.
* For letters weighing more than 50 grams, a rate of 20 pfennig will be chared, as long as they can be forwared with the fieldpost in East Asia.
* No changes will be made concerning the forwarding of mail for military personnel on board German warships through the navy postal administration in Berlin, or in the ordinary regulations pertaining thereto."

卢长春

谢谢！英文不了解，继续学习。

心怡永在

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以下是引用alainfang在2008-7-19 20:57:29的发言：

这现在我也不确信大清邮票一定没有用.根据下面的文献好像中国邮局和德国军邮局之间也有互换邮件.我觉得有两种可能
1)德国军人到中国邮局去销了戳,然后交给德国军邮局寄出.(KDT FILD是德国军邮戳)
2)寄信人交中国邮政,销天津戳,然后中国邮政转交德国军邮局.

文献内容如下(摘自"The stamps and cancels of the german colonies and the german post offices abroad German post in China",德文原版的书名是"Die Postwertzeichen und Entwertungen der deutschen postanstlten in den Schutzgebieten und im Ausland")

Fieldpost 1900-1901
According to the regulations, mail originating from army units was to be forwarded exclusively through the fieldpost. The dispatch of mail through the German post or the postal agencies of foreign countries was forbidden for security reasons. In East Asia during the Boxer rebellion, however, there were no such restrictions. The members of the army and navy units there had the following means available for the forwarding of their private mail:
1)all German and foreign civilian mail establishments;
2)the chinese offices for the forwarding of mail to nearest German or foreign post office;
3)the German postal steamers and foreign postal ships in harbours;
4)the German naval post offices;
5) the German fieldpost.

Of these, the naval postal offices, with their privieges, were available only to the crew members of the ships; but this stipulation was not strictly adhered to during the campaign. The free postage and the reduced postage for the German fieldpost applied only to some types of mail, as was the case for the naval post offices. Other mail, not falling into these categories, had to be franked at the regular rates.
Members of German military units could send mail through the fieldpost offices of other foreign powers and vice versa. In such cases, however, no reduction in rates could be claimedd, so that full franking was required. Only the Austrian military contigent is said to have enjoyed the postage-free privileges of the German fieldpost.
In addition, mail of German and foreign civilans was forwared by the fieldpost offices as long as such mail was franked at the normal postage rates.

On 13 July 1900 The Reich Post Office made the following announcement:
"For the mail traffic of the mobile troops of the army and navy dispatched to East Asia, the changes below are effective as the day of embarkation at the home-base harbour. Private matters of the members of these military units will be forwared as fieldpost articles as follows:
* Ordinary letters up to and including 250 grams, and ordinary postcards.
* The forwarding of letters up to and including 50 grams, and postcards, will be postage-free.
* For letters weighing more than 50 grams, a rate of 20 pfennig will be chared, as long as they can be forwared with the fieldpost in East Asia.
* No changes will be made concerning the forwarding of mail for military personnel on board German warships through the navy postal administration in Berlin, or in the ordinary regulations pertaining thereto."

谢谢方兄指点，非常好的资料。

麦国培

这个看不懂。

alainfang

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以下是引用麦国培在2008-7-20 8:22:36的发言：
这个看不懂。

下次吧,等我将水路和铁路的搞定,再来搞这个军邮部分.

麦国培

好的，三军就靠方兄统领了，你是大元帅。

永乐小小

对于这个领域不太了解，进来学习学习。

謝明書

翻一下：

德國軍郵局 (fieldpost 1900-1901)
根據規定，從陸軍單位寄出的郵件一律由軍郵局(fieldpost)發送，由於安全的因素，郵件禁止經由一般的德國客郵局或是其它國家的客郵局遞送。然而在遠東發生的庚子拳亂，郵件遞送卻沒有這些限制。在那裡的陸軍和海軍人員，有下列幾種方式可以寄送他們的私人郵件：
(1)所有的德國和其它外國人所設立的郵政單位
(2)經由大清郵政轉交至德國或是其它國家的客郵局
(3)經由德國的郵船或是在港口內的其它客郵的郵船
(4)經由德國海軍軍郵系統
(5)經由德國(陸軍)軍郵局 fieldpost

其中，海軍軍郵系統因為特殊，只有船上的船員能使用，但是在這場戰爭中這個限制並沒有被遵守。
另外，只有某些種類的信件，才能經由陸軍軍郵或是海軍軍郵得到免資或是減資的服務。其它類的信件仍須交納正常的信資才能寄出。德國軍事人員也可以經由其它國家的軍郵局寄信，但不能享有免資或減資的優惠，反之亦然。其它國家的軍人透過德國軍郵系統寄信也須交付正常信資而無優待。然而據說只有奧地利的軍人被納入德軍軍郵局的服務範圍，而享有優待。
其它德國公民或是外國公民只要貼足正常郵資，也可以經由德國軍郵局寄信。

1900年7月13日德國帝國郵局發布下列聲明：
"從德國母港出發到遠東地區的陸海軍人員，下列其郵件遞送規定的改變由離港日開始實施：
軍事人員能透過軍郵局系統(fieldpost)寄發的信件包括了：
(1)一般重250克或以下的信件及明信片(postcards)
(2)重50克或以下的信件及明信片(postcards)則是免資
(3)超過50克的信件，只要大小能透過軍郵局寄送，則以20芬尼的費率來收費
(4)上述的改變則不適用於透過柏林的海軍軍郵或是附屬其下的郵政系統來發送信件給登艦的軍事人員

有些地方也不是真的很確定，像是最後四點改變中的(1)(2)和(4)，就不是很懂，
是指50克以下免費，50-250克要收費，而250克就不能寄的意思嗎？
請方先生和大家再訂正一下。

[此贴子已经被作者于2008-7-20 20:10:13编辑过]

麦国培

很好，又学到新东西，这些好贴强烈建议感兴趣的邮友整理一下，相信受益的邮友一定会很多，感谢各位的无私奉献。

卢长春

谢谢，谢先生的翻译，我得好好学习。

alainfang

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以下是引用謝明書在2008-7-20 15:20:53的发言：

有些地方也不是真的很確定，像是最後四點改變中的(1)(2)和(4)，就不是很懂，
是指50克以下免費，50-250克要收費，而250克就不能寄的意思嗎？
請方先生和大家再訂正一下。

[此贴子已经被作者于2008-7-20 20:10:13编辑过]

我觉得这里的理解是关于信件,50克以下免费,50-250克收费,250克以上可能不能作为信件寄出.现在邮局也有这种规定.在美国一般使用First Mail.但是First Mail的重量不能超过16盎司.如果超过16盎司,就必须选择其他的方式.
谢先生的中文功底比我高许多.看来我需要补一补中文了.

麦国培

继续来学习。

卢长春

盼望各位继续探讨交流。

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麦国培

不错，比较典型的德国军邮！

小马哥

好象走题了.

卢长春

许多东西都是有些直接或间接联系的，所以，经常是由一个主题发起，而后就不断延伸了。

小马哥

但五分邮资这个问题还没得到正确答案

麦国培

就靠你来解迷了